Posts by joey jojo

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Climate propaganda

by neat blue dog in

gotta love jwdotorg as usual regurgitating the financially/politically motivated (and thoroughly disproved) climate change propaganda:.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/ruining-the-earth-bible-meaning-hope/.

joey jojo

Simon:

Most charts are propaganda, with selective starting points (and different ones for different factors).

Some may be, but its hard to argue the evidence from ice core samples. They show a fairly stable level of co2 over the last 800 thousand years. During that time, co2 levels didnt exceed 300ppm. Around 1950, co2 levels broke out and are now at about 420ppm. It only took 60 years to break out of an 800 thousand year cycle.

Temperature increases precede CO2 rise (it's not "cause and effect")

I cant find anything that backs this up. Im not saying it isnt true, a link would be great.

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2 Peter and Jude and 1 Enoch

by Parallax in

i'm new to the forum and i have a question about what was said in a 16-year-old thread at this forum.

a poster by the name of leolaia said.... the author of 2 peter did not recognize that jude 6 was an allustion to 1 enoch (just as he did not realize that jude 9 was an allusion to the assumption of moses and thus rephrased it incoherently in 2 peter 2:11), or he may have objected to the enochic reference (just as jude 14-15 was omitted in 2 peter 2).

in either case, the author overlooked the enochic allusion and instead recognized the passage as an allusion of hesiod and thus embellished the passage from jude with an allusion to hesiod's tartarus.. .

joey jojo

Yet, if you present this historical reality to JW's, you will be treated like you are making it all up.

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Climate propaganda

by neat blue dog in

gotta love jwdotorg as usual regurgitating the financially/politically motivated (and thoroughly disproved) climate change propaganda:.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/ruining-the-earth-bible-meaning-hope/.

joey jojo

The fact you think the opposing argument to climate "consensus" is that climate change isn't happening shows that the misrepresentation is working. Almost no one thinks the climate doesn't change. It has from the beginning of time, and the amount of change now is so miniscule compared to historic changes that to attribute to CO2 (which is a RESULT of warmer temperature and not the cause of it, cart before the horse) is to not look at the whole of history

Blue Dog,

So the rapid rise of CO2 levels since the 1950's is completely normal and not man-made?

Just to flog a dead horse once again, we are at levels of CO2 not seen in a million years. It started increasing the 1950's, right around the time of the post war boom- but Im sure its just a coincidence.

But please, dont take my word for it, heres a nice little quote from NASA : "Human activities have profoundly increased carbon dioxide (a heat-trapping gas) levels in Earth’s atmosphere."

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

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ALL babies are "little enemies of God"...

by BoogerMan in

straight from the horse's gb's mouth - from the 2022 convention broadcast.. it's at the 38 min.

30 secs.

point of the jw broadcast: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/2022convention/pub-co-r22_1_video.

joey jojo

But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God” (Luke 18:16)

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

joey jojo

"if you think that's bad, how about this: a US woman called Lindsey Ellis deliberately got herself pregnant just so she could have an abortion and make a documentary about it. The documentary is apparently called The A Word. WTF is wrong with these people?!"

Yeh, that is sick.

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UK Contaminated Blood Scandal

by Simon in

up to 30,000 people contracted hiv and hepatitis c in the 1970s and 80s after being given blood treatments or transfusions on the nhs.. thousands have since died.. it just goes to show there is no such thing as a sure thing.. the wts may be wrong about their blood doctrine, and their bible interpretation to justify it, and how they enforced the rules about it, but ultimately may be correct in claiming that "bloodless surgery" was a safer option medically.. canada also had a contaminated blood scandal, where 30,000 were infected with hepatitis c and hiv.. in other news, paying for blood from high-risk donors is a bad idea.

who knew?

well apparently the people behind the schemes did, and that's why they covered it up.. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-61929986.

joey jojo

A broken clock is right twice a day.

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

joey jojo

Its easy for a conservative middle aged, middle classed man to tell a young woman how she should live her life. Now imagine if you were that young woman of 16 or 17 with that decision weighing on you because you made a bad choice.

"I'm not sure that's a good example".

Hi Tonus, the reason I used that example is because I know a couple of girls personally who were that age when they were faced with that decision. Incidentally, both from very normal, middle class families.

My point is that this has been going on forever. I agree that these days we have medical treatments that take a lot of risk out pregnancies compared to the past, but not all women in all countries have that luxury.

Taking it one step further, some religious beliefs extend to banning birth control. If we are having an honest conversation about life here, where do we draw the line? Is it morally unacceptable that semen be wasted? Is someone using birth control pre-emptively aborting potential life? Some people genuinely believe that.

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

joey jojo

Read about the history of abortion.

If prostitution is the oldest profession, then performing abortions for those women is probably the second oldest.

Its easy for a conservative middle aged, middle classed man to tell a young woman how she should live her life. Now imagine if you were that young woman of 16 or 17 with that decision weighing on you because you made a bad choice. I would guess that a lot of those middle aged men have daughters that have had abortions and they probably arent even aware of it.

Dont get me wrong, Im extremely uncomfortable with the idea of abortion but I havent walked in the shoes of someone that has had to make that decision.

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

joey jojo

"There are lots of stories of people who go through the same thing and stick together and have a wonderful family and child as a result."

Simon, you are right, it could go either way. An unwanted child, given the chance may eventually grow into a real asset to the human race.

Unwanted pregnancies have been around since the beginning of time, its nothing new. Abortion is nothing new either. It has been practised forever. A pregnant woman is going to do what she wants, regardless of what the government tells her.

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

joey jojo

A young guy and girl think they are in love. The girl gets pregnant -the guy runs away.

The girl now has a life long burden to carry, on her own , with stigma and shame attached.

Will her family step up and help her, or will they turn their back? Often, it may be her family that encourages the abortion. If she has the child and adopts it out, there is a minefield of feelings she has to work through for the rest of her life. Even if she can detach herself, laws are now in place for the child to know who their birth parents are, so she cant escape those feelings if the child tries to make contact.

She has to face the struggle of being a single mum, or the chance that the new step-dad will abuse her, the child, or both. What kind of security can she offer the child, what about education?

These issues are no joke for a young woman to have to deal with. Its understandable why some women dont like to be told how to live their lives by men.